Pietro Campolongo's Testimony (English)

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Summary of Pietro Campolongo's Testimony

  • Pietro Campolongo was a club promoter at Merlin who knew Meredith. He was called to testify about Halloween night and about Rudy Guede.
  • Campolongo testified that he saw Meredith on Halloween night and that they took a photo together. Meredith had a costume with a cloak and no mask. He saw Meredith at Merlin but does not remember seeing her at Domus.
  • Campolongo stated that he does not know Amanda Knox or Raffaele Sollecito. He knows who Rudy Guede is but has never spoken with him.
  • Campolongo saw Rudy out the night of November 2nd to November 3rd at Domus. Rudy was wearing a white t-shirt, had excessive body odor, and was dancing. He did not have any wounds on his hands.
  • Campolonge also told a story he heard from Christian, a bartender. Christian claimed to have come home to find Rudy Guede with a knife in his hand. Christian did not explain how Rudy entered his home. Christian did not explain what Rudy was doing when discovered. Christian did not explain how the conflict ended with Rudy managing to escape somehow. There were no other witnesses to this supposed encounter. Christian only told this story after Rudy had been brought back from Germany for the murder.

Pietro Campolongo's Testimony

This is an English language translation of the testimony. See Pietro Campolongo's Testimony for the original Italian transcript.
Key to abbreviations
GCM Giancarlo Massei Judge Presidente
LG Luciano Ghirga Knox defense lawyer Avvocato
PC Pietro Campolongo Witness being questioned Student
LM Luca Maori Sollecito defense lawyer Avvocato
GM Giuliano Mignini Prosecutor Pubblico Ministero
MDG Maria Del Grosso Defense counsel for Amanda Knox Avvocato
INT Intervention


Depositions of the witness Pietro Campolongo [1]

GCM:
You have been summoned as a witness. As a witness you have to speak the truth: this obligation is brought to your attention. You have to read the oath that is to be found in front of you. You have to state your particulars.

The witness, admonished pursuant to Article 497 of the Criminal Procedure Code, reads the oath.

Particulars: Pietro Campolongo, born December 9, 1980 in Castrovillari in the province of Cosenza.

GCM:
Please go ahead.

Counsel Luciano Ghirga for Amanda Knox Defense

LG:
I am Counsel Ghirga for Amanda Knox defense, we want to find out a lot from you, do you know why you have been called here for the murder of Meredith Kercher?
PC:
Yes, yes.
LG:
The first question is whether you knew Meredith Kercher and what do you remember, for example, of Halloween night.
PC:
OK, I got to know Meredith Kercher at the beginning of October when she arrived but I met her only once, and then I saw her again another time at the Merlin Club because it's a place where I go and then also on the night of Halloween we saw again, I saw her when she was out with her friends at the Merlin Club, always there yes.
LG:
Listen, taking a step back, how long have you been in Perugia?
PC:
I have been here in Perugia from the age of 9.
LG:
You are a student?
PC:
Yes, I am a student.
LG:
And so when we return to the night of Halloween, what do you remember of Meredith?
PC:
We took just one photo and that was it, had some fun.
LG:
Do you remember, for example, how Meredith was dressed that night?
PC:
OK, if you look at the photo ...
LG:
No I was asking you whether you remember how she was ...
PC:
No, no, no.
LG:
What type of mask because it was a special night.
PC:
She didn't have a mask.
LG:
No.
PC:
I did, I had the Scream mask.
LG:
I was asking whether you remember how she was dressed on the night of Halloween but to finish it is not ... Meredith.
PC:
Ah, I don't know, some black thing.
GCM:
It is a cloak, what is it?
PC:
It was a cloak, yes yes.
GCM:
What was?
PC:
It was a cloak yes yes, that's what I thought.
LG:
Was she, for example, with some English friends, with an English friend on that Halloween night?
PC:
I think yes, yes because she always went out with her English friends.
LC:
And you had seen her at the Merlin, at the Domus, at the ..
PC:
I remember at the Merlin, at the Domus I don't remember.
LG:
The Merlin is situated more or less in the old town of Perugia, isn't it?
PC:
The Merlin yes.
LG:
The Domus also?
PC:
Also on the Piazza Morlacchi, yes.
LG:
Do you know Amanda Knox who is this ...
PC:
No.
LG:
Raffaele Sollecito?
PC:
No.
LG:
Rudy?
PC:
Yes, I had seen him ... I had seen him ...that is, I know him by sight.
LG:
You know him by sight, you ran into him in these clubs, you met him ...
PC:
Yes, I saw him, OK, out in public at the Merlin, he was dancing on the tables, yes but also dancing at the Domus, always dancing, yes, I saw him but I didn't know him.
LG:
Are we talking .... excuse me for interrupting, are we talking about the time before November 1st?
PC:
Yes, yes, yes, before before.
LG:
You knew Rudy from before, didn't you?
PC:
I didn't know Rudy, I only knew him by sight.
LG:
Yes but ... with respect to the time prior to November 2007, you knew who Rudy was, you had met him, you talked?
PC:
No, I never talked with him, didn't meet him, that is, I only saw him come to these clubs like many other people in fact.
LG:
Then the essential fact of your testimony is this: between the night of the 2nd and 3rd of November 2007 did you meet Rudy?
PC:
Between the 2nd and 3rd would be the day after the murder, right?
LG:
I’ll tell you that ...roughly speaking yes that night…
PC:
I was only wondering.
GCM:
Yes so ...
PC:
And it was between the 2nd and 3rd so for example that the murder took place between the night of the 1st and 2nd? Between the 2nd and 3rd I saw him dancing alone through ... yes I saw him at the Domus, I remember this.
LG:
We would like to know whether you remember how he was dressed, if you remember ...
PC:
He had a white t-shirt, I only remember seeing this because they were talking about it [or him] so much.
LG:
Do you remember if you were drinking with him or ...
PC:
Absolutely no.
LG:
If he had behaved in such a way as to infer ... the question is not precise but still ..., I’m still there, you did not drink with him when you saw him at the Domus, you said, right?
PC:
I only saw him yes.
LG:
Was he dancing?
PC:
He was dancing on the dance floor yes.
LG:
And you said he had a white t-shirt.
PC:
It was a white t-shirt, this I ....
LG:
You remember it today?
PC:
Yes also ... no, most of all because that night people were talking a lot about the killing of this girl, everybody was, of course, looking at everybody else, and so many images are coming ... yes, one remembers them.
LG:
Because at the police station, you had been heard by the police.
PC:
Yes, yes, I went there yes.
LG:
And in a statement you said: "I don't remember how he was dressed", today however you have a clear memory of a white t-shirt.
PC:
Well that's because then after a little ... but I don't know now if I said that but he was in any case wearing a white t-shirt yes.
LG:
Well, but in fact you had said that ... you stated: "I don't remember what he was wearing".
PC:
Well OK maybe possibly ...oh, I don't know.
LG:
He didn't smell of alcohol, Rudy’s body didn't smell at all because there’s a strange expression that you ...
PC:
Yes the strange expression was that many people were ...
LG:
A bad smell ...
PC:
Can I speak? So basically there were a lot of people who stayed a bit away from Rudy or at least I did when I passed him, his body odor was fairly strong.
LG:
If this makes it clear what it means.
PC:
It means that as we all know that the … that is I don’t know the smell a body has is like as if one hasn't washed so he was stinking as far as I was concerned, that’s all.
LG:
I wanted to verify this circumstance; so on the night of 2nd or 3rd you remember having seen Rudy inside the Domus Club?
PC:
Yes, yes, between the 2nd and the 3rd yes, yes, that would be the day after.
LG:
November 2007, I have no more questions.

Counsel Maria Del Grosso for Amanda Knox Defense

MDG:
Counsel Del Grosso Knox Defense.
GCM:
Is he a shared witness?
MDG:
He's our witness.
GCM:
Yes, yes, you are right. Pardon me, counsel, please proceed.
MDG:
I would like to ask you ...
GCM:
It's the same defense team, please go ahead.
MDG:
You are a student but you also had an activity ...
PC:
The PR, public relations of the Merlin Club.
MDG:
On these occasions then in the course of this activity you met these girls including Meredith and also Sophie Purton?
PC:
Yes, yes, what?
MDG:
You remember Sophie Purton?
PC:
Yes Sophie yes, yes.
GCM:
Excuse me Counsel, but the question perhaps, what is ...
MDG:
Had you known these girls by virtue of your activities within the Merlin Club?
PC:
Yes.
GCM:
These girls with reference to ...
MDG:
The English girls Meredith and also Sophie Purton, the friend of Meredith Kercher.
PC:
Yes, yes.
MDG:
Do you remember whether you exchanged phone numbers with Sophie Purton?
PC:
Yes I think so, at the moment I cannot remember very well but I think that Sophie and I did exchange phone numbers yes because seeing that I do PR I invite people out via a text message to the clubs, of course, yes.
MDG:
How did you learn about the murder of Meredith Kercher?
PC:
Through a phone call from Esteban Garcia (phonetic) I don't know now if the name ... the owner of the Tana dell’Orso phoned me and told me this tragic news yes, he told me this tragic news.
MDG:
Did you call someone, meet someone after receiving this phone call?
PC:
Yes I called Pasquale Alessi, the guy I work with, I called the owner of the Merlin Club ...
MDG:
And did you meet someone, did you sent a text message to someone you do not remember?
PC:
No, but now I do not remember well but we met down at Gallenga where there was also Sophie, her friend.
MDG:
You had met before ...
PC:
Yes, we had been there.
MDG:
At the University for Foreigners.
PC:
Yes, yes, outside the University for Foreigners.
MDG:
When you two met outside the University for Foreigners, did you know the identity of the victim?
PC:
I knew the identity .. I knew that she was half Indian but nothing more.
MDG:
No one knew who the victim, whose body was found ...
PC:
Yes, yes, yes, when I was told that it was Meredith who I had known ... yes I had known her then.. yes, yes, because also because that night there ... in fact the day ...
MDG:
I am speaking of the afternoon when you met the other girls including Sophie Purton in front of the University for Foreigners.
PC:
I didn't understand the question. Can you repeat it?
MDG:
You had met Sophie Purton that afternoon of November 2nd, in front of the University for Foreigners...
PC:
On November 2nd? No, it wasn’t on November 2nd.
MDG:
The afternoon after ...
PC:
Yes, yes in fact that afternoon yes. Yes, yes, November 2nd, yes, yes now I don’t remember...
MDG:
After having received the phone call or text message informing you of the murder, do you remember having met Sophie Purton and the other English girls...
PC:
Yes, yes, of course I do remember, of course.
MDG:
At that moment when you met these girls did you know who was murdered?
PC:
I asked the journalists who were there in front of the house, and journalists confirmed to me that it was a girl named Meredith.
MDG:
With you there was a ... this Pasquale Alessi who is called DJ Naf?
PC:
No, no, he is called Pisco. He was called Pisco.
MDG:
Ah, I was convinced that you were Pisco.
PC:
No, I'm Pietro Campolongo, I'm not Pisco.
MDG:
Yes, but used as a nickname?
PC:
Oh no, no, no, never. I've never had any nickname, no.
MDG:
And this Dj Naf, if you remember this Pisco ...
PC:
Dj?
MDG:
Naf.
PC:
Maybe you are confusing dj Zaf that is written with zed.
MDG:
Unfortunately it was verbalized as Naf.
PC:
OK, all right.
MDG:
Did he say something, did he tell you something about the murder, do you remember?
PC:
No, no, no.
MDG:
You don't remember that your story provoked some reactions from Sophie Purton?
PC:
No, I have absolutely no idea ... no.
MDG:
No, we have heard a story ...
PC:
No, I don't know ... no in fact no.
MDG:
But you know a certain Hicham, Hicham Chiri (phonetic) said that ...
PC:
Who had the shop near the arch of ... arch ... yes he has a shop, yes Hicham.
MDG:
Did you ever happen to meet or see him together with Meredith and the group of friends ...
PC:
No, no, no, not that I remember.
GCM:
Excuse me when you mentioned an arch, what arch .... what arch are you referring to here?
PC:
Uhm?
GCM:
The shop near an arch, which arch?
PC:
Near the Gallenga.
INT:
The Etruscan arch.
PC:
The Etruscan arch, yes.
MDG:
One last question, did you put Samantha Rodenhurst [2] in touch with some journalists to make statements, do you remember?
PC:
No, no, no.
MDG:
Thank you.
GCM:
The witness is not shared so Mr Prosecutor if you have any questions.
GM:
I don't have any questions.
GCM:
Civil parties? Counsel for the defense, please proceed.

Counsel Luca Maori for Raffaele Sollecito Defense

LM:
Counsel Maori for Sollecito defense. Campolongo, to a question by the Amanda Knox defense referring to Rudy Guede, you said that "they talked about him".
PC:
No, no, I didn't say that they talked about him, they talked about this murder out in public but not about Rudy.
LM:
You said about Rudy Guede that you did not know him personally ...
PC:
Yes.
LM:
But you had seen him.
PC:
I had seen him.
LM:
Did you see him on that night or had you seen him also on other nights?
PC:
I had seen him on the previous nights; on that night there on Friday if I'm not mistaken, he was at the Domus.
LM:
You have never heard the comments about Rudy Guede made by his friends ...
GCM:
Maybe if you can tell us who made these comments... who was making them, otherwise they are generic comments ...
PC:
No like generic.
GCM:
Nothing then.
PC:
No, no, generic.
GCM:
No, no, then can we hear the question ...
LM:
In relation to certain illegal conduct criminally relevant to Rudy Guede?
GCM:
Always if you specifically know the source, everything else is just rumors ...
PC:
I did not understand, can you please repeat the question.
LM:
Do you know if Rudy Guede in times past with respect to the 2nd of November according to what was said by various persons that you will tell then us whether in fact you know them, if he had committed criminally relevant breaches of the law?
PC:
Now as far as Rudy Guede goes, I remember only once a guy that I know, whose name I don’t remember now, who had seen Rudy in his apartment, and in fact if I’m not mistaken Rudy had been reported about this thing, that he had been found in the... he had found Rudy in his own apartment with a knife, he had told me this.
LM:
Is this guy called Christian[3]?
PC:
Yes, Christian, right.
LM:
He works as bartender?
PC:
Yes, he works as a bartender.
LM:
So please explain us what Christian told you, on what occasion...
PC:
That he opened the door...
LM:
When would this have happened, sometime before...
PC:
Before, before yes, yes, before.
LM:
A few weeks before the events?
PC:
Before November.
LM:
Of the events of the death of Meredith Kercher on November 1st ...
PC:
Yes, yes, before before, yes he told me about it, but he told me of it after this thing here happened.
LM:
Tramontano?
PC:
So he told me that he opened the door of his house, Christian's house, and found Rudy with a knife in his hand.
LM:
Inside his house?
PC:
Inside his house so I think, yes.
LM:
And how did he enter?
PC:
I don't know.
LM:
So he found Rudy Guede inside his house with a knife in his hand?
PC:
Rudy was in his house, Christian's house, yes.
LM:
What was he doing, was he stealing something?
PC:
I don't know, Christian didn't tell me anything else.
LM:
He didn’t say anything else, that is, he didn't tell you if he had had a fight with him, then Rudy had gone or what had he done, didn't he tell you anything?
PC:
No, no, maybe this kind of information that he escaped but I don’t remember very well, I remember that ...
LM:
You didn't ask if he was attacked by Rudy?
PC:
No, no.
LM:
If he was in the company of one of his ... if Christian was in the company of a girl.
PC:
No, I don't remember, no.
LM:
And on what occasion had he said this to you, when what was being mentioned?
PC:
When it was mentioned immediately after they had taken him from Germany, if I'm not mistaken, in Germany, when in fact they were talking about Rudy as a possible...
LM:
As a possible?
PC:
As a person who possibly killed Meredith, I don't know.
LM:
Here, then, on this occasion you spoke with Christian and Christian told you about this ...
PC:
He told me about this story that he’d been telling to everybody.
LM:
Very well, you know Christian then went to the police for ...
PC:
No, this I didn't know.
LM:
Thank you.
PC:
You are welcome.

President of the Court - Judge Massei

GCM:
There are no other questions. Yes only one other matter, you said that between the 2nd and 3rd Rudy was seen dancing at the Domus, was he alone, together with others?
PC:
No, I don't know his friends, I don't know whether he was with his friends, I don't know that, but I saw him dancing yes.
GCM:
You had seen him ... now you also said that Rudy, you didn’t know him.
PC:
No.
GCM:
You didn't know his name but you had noticed him that much that you remembered that he had been ...(incomprehensible)
PC:
Yes, yes, because later ...
GCM:
Why did you notice him?
PC:
I noticed him because he smelled quite strongly.
GCM:
For this you had paid attention to ...
PC:
Yes then also because, of course, when I do not know ...it happens a bit to everyone I believe that when we talk about a person, of a really bad thing like that afterwards you remember a little that you had seen him and in what circumstances you had seen him, and that's why I’m telling you the fact that I remember that he was smelling...
GCM:
You have only seen him in these clubs he frequented, or also on other occasions?
PC:
No, only in these clubs.
GCM:
You have said that you had met Meredith three times, on three occasions.
PC:
Yes, I had met her on three occasions yes.
GCM:
Three occasions, always at venues or outside ...
PC:
Always at these clubs, always at clubs.
GCM:
Always at these clubs. Had you seen her with Rudy Guede?
PC:
No, no, no.
GCM:
So, on the occasion of 2nd and 3rd do you remember whether Rudy Guede had wounds or some other marks which ...
PC:
No.
GCM:
No.
PC:
No.
GCM:
In these clubs where you saw Rudy did you need to buy a ticket or was it ...
PC:
No.
GCM:
Admission free.
PC:
Yes.
GCM:
There are no other questions, the witness is excused.
PC:
OK, thank you, goodbye. Have a nice day.

Notes

  1. Translated by Horgan with some help provided by PMF poster Catnip.
  2. Translator’s note: In the Italian original transcript the name was misspelled as Samantha Assan Roden.
  3. Translator’s note: In the Italian original transcript the name was spelled as Cristian.